diff --git a/CHANGELOG.md b/CHANGELOG.md
index f68841173..f5285c7de 100644
--- a/CHANGELOG.md
+++ b/CHANGELOG.md
@@ -1,3 +1,12 @@
+## 4.2.0 (TBD)
+
+- Bug Fixes
+    - Fixed `@with_annotated(base_command=True)` not listing its subcommands under the positional
+      arguments section of the parent command's `--help`, unlike `argparse` and
+      `Cmd2ArgumentParser`. They were placed in an untitled section of their own instead. Passing
+      `subcommand_title` or `subcommand_description` still gives the subcommands a dedicated section
+      ([#1715](https://github.com/python-cmd2/cmd2/issues/1715)).
+
 ## 4.1.2 (July 16, 2026)
 
 - Enhancements
diff --git a/cmd2/annotated.py b/cmd2/annotated.py
index d502f9009..b059c8c5a 100644
--- a/cmd2/annotated.py
+++ b/cmd2/annotated.py
@@ -2827,15 +2827,17 @@ def parser_builder() -> Cmd2ArgumentParser:
             **options.parser_kwargs,
         )
         if base_command:
-            # dict[str, Any] is load-bearing: the typeshed stub types title/metavar as non-None,
-            # but argparse accepts None at runtime, so splatting avoids a false overload error.
+            # dict[str, Any] is load-bearing: title/description are added conditionally below,
+            # which the typeshed overloads for add_subparsers cannot express.
             kwargs: dict[str, Any] = {
                 "dest": "subcommand",
                 "metavar": options.subcommand_metavar,
                 "required": options.subcommand_required,
-                "title": options.subcommand_title,
-                "description": options.subcommand_description,
             }
+            if options.subcommand_title is not None:
+                kwargs["title"] = options.subcommand_title
+            if options.subcommand_description is not None:
+                kwargs["description"] = options.subcommand_description
             parser.add_subparsers(**kwargs)
         return parser
 
diff --git a/docs/features/annotated.md b/docs/features/annotated.md
index e769a44c7..6895a03ec 100644
--- a/docs/features/annotated.md
+++ b/docs/features/annotated.md
@@ -436,9 +436,12 @@ token to convert. Both raise `TypeError` at decoration time.
   default `True`)
 - `subcommand_metavar` -- metavar shown for the subcommands group (only with `base_command=True`,
   default `"SUBCOMMAND"`)
-- `subcommand_title` -- title for the subcommands `--help` section (only with `base_command=True`)
+- `subcommand_title` -- title for the subcommands `--help` section (only with `base_command=True`).
+  Setting either this or `subcommand_description` moves the subcommands out of the positional
+  arguments section into a section of their own, as it does in argparse.
 - `subcommand_description` -- description for the subcommands `--help` section (only with
-  `base_command=True`)
+  `base_command=True`). Supplying this without `subcommand_title` gives that section argparse's
+  default title, `subcommands`.
 - `help` -- help text for an annotated subcommand (only valid with `subcommand_to`)
 - `aliases` -- aliases for an annotated subcommand (only valid with `subcommand_to`)
 - `deprecated` -- mark the subcommand as deprecated in `--help` (only valid with `subcommand_to`)
diff --git a/tests/test_annotated.py b/tests/test_annotated.py
index 5011195ca..6ed8f15e3 100644
--- a/tests/test_annotated.py
+++ b/tests/test_annotated.py
@@ -3439,6 +3439,37 @@ def test_subcommand_title_and_description(self) -> None:
         assert group is not None
         assert group.description == "pick one"
 
+    def test_subparsers_default_to_positionals_group(self) -> None:
+        """Without a title/description the subparsers belong to argparse's own positionals group."""
+        parser = self._base_parser()
+        action = self._subparsers_action(parser)
+        assert action in parser._positionals._group_actions
+        # No untitled group is created to hold them.
+        assert [g for g in parser._action_groups if g.title is None] == []
+
+    def test_subparsers_listed_under_positional_arguments_in_help(self) -> None:
+        """The subcommands are documented in --help like argparse and Cmd2ArgumentParser do."""
+        parser = self._base_parser()
+        help_text = parser.format_help()
+        _, header, rest = help_text.partition("Positional Arguments:")
+        assert header, f"no positional arguments section in:\n{help_text}"
+        assert "SUBCOMMAND" in rest.partition("Options:")[0]
+
+    @pytest.mark.parametrize(
+        ("kwargs", "expected_title"),
+        [
+            pytest.param({"subcommand_title": "Commands"}, "Commands", id="title-only"),
+            pytest.param({"subcommand_description": "pick one"}, "subcommands", id="description-only"),
+        ],
+    )
+    def test_subparsers_move_out_of_positionals_when_titled(self, kwargs, expected_title) -> None:
+        """Supplying either knob still opts into a dedicated group, argparse's documented behavior."""
+        parser = self._base_parser(**kwargs)
+        action = self._subparsers_action(parser)
+        assert action not in parser._positionals._group_actions
+        group = next(g for g in parser._action_groups if action in g._group_actions)
+        assert group.title == expected_title
+
 
 # ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
 # Rich objects are accepted for description / epilog (HelpContent)