Doesn't most usage of ScratchAttach violate the ToS?

[PPPDUD]

To quote Section 11.13 of the Scratch Terms of Service:

[You shall not] automatically or programmatically extract any data of the Service, including Output

Wouldn't this imply that most, if not all, usage of ScratchAttach violates the ToS, by virtue of programmatically-extracting data from Scratch?

[TheCommCraft]

1. Under these terms, you would also not be able to download projects, as you are not manually typing out all the bits of the projects and are instead using your browser to write output of the software to your computer.
2. Even if the usage of scratchattach wasn't allowed, the license of the project disclaims all liability if I am understanding correctly.

[PPPDUD]

1. Under these terms, you would also not be able to download projects, as you are not manually typing out all the bits of the projects and are instead using your browser to write output of the software to your computer.

Agreed.

2. Even if the usage of scratchattach wasn't allowed, the license of the project disclaims all liability if I am understanding correctly.

Yes, but I think that you should at least tell users that they are most likely violating the ToS by using ScratchAttach.

[Boss-1s]

Yes, I agree, they should be warned of the risk of getting banned by accessing the API externally (the exact reason I got banned). I may start a PR on this

[PPPDUD]

Yes, I agree, they should be warned of the risk of getting banned by accessing the API externally (the exact reason I got banned). I may start a PR on this

Out of curiosity, were you performing social interactions with the API or just looking at stuff?

[Boss-1s]

I was using scratchattach to work with cloud variables. Repo here

[PPPDUD]

I was using scratchattach to work with cloud variables. Repo here

I see, that makes sense.

[faretek1]

Maybe there should be a warning in the README. Possibly also a warning (that can be disabled) when you import the library or login to any session.

[Garnet11]

Personally, I think they'll only use the TOS against you if you're using scripts that are doing malicious things. Services like ScratchAuth and those applications posted in the Advanced Topics haven't been shut down. Search engines still crawl the website.

[Boss-1s]

And yet I got banned for running a script that changes cloud vars...

[PPPDUD]

Personally, I think they'll only use the TOS against you if you're using scripts that are doing malicious things. Services like ScratchAuth and those applications posted in the Advanced Topics haven't been shut down. Search engines still crawl the website.

True, but it's better to alert people explicitly because they could change that any day without notice.

[Garnet11]

I suppose you're right.

And yet I got banned for running a script that changes cloud vars...

Not to disregard what you're saying, but it could be for a different reason.

[Garnet11]

I might want to to add that the Scratch Foundation has official documentation on the Scratch API https://github.com/scratchfoundation/scratch-rest-api/wiki
If you don't want people using your API, you probably wouldn't make a wiki on it. However, it was last updated mid-2018. You could argue that they've changed their mind, but I don't think they did.